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For many years,
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many journalists asked me
to tell the story of my life.
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I always refused.
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I agreed to cooperate
with Alan Friedman
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because I trust him.
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As Steve Jobs said
to your biographer:
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I'll tell you my story
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and you will write whatever you want.
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{\an8}BASED ON THE BOOK BY ALAN FRIEDMAN
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{\an8}Near Milan,
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in a small town called Arcore,
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is Villa San Martino,
Silvio Berlusconi's house.
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{\an8}Berlusconi is a tycoon
real estate andmedia,
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the Italian Prime Minister
who held the position the longest,
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a man, decades ago,
hounded by scandals.
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The Italian Public Ministry
researched it for more than 20 years.
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Face more than 60 trials,
being accused of corruption,
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bribery, connection to the Mafia
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and, finally,
sex with an underage prostitute.
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Your friendships with world leaders
put Italy on the political map,
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but they were
always controversial friendships.
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Whether it was about your friendship
with George W. Bush,
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or with Vladimir Putin,
or, even, with Muammar Gaddafi,
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the Libyan dictator.
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For some, a brilliant businessman
with a touch of genius,
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his critics consider him
a clown and a criminal.
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After all, like Al Capone,
got caught due to taxes.
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Yourvilla in Arcore
Berlusconi's Neverland
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your private Disneyland Park.
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73 hectares of parks and gardens,
your own football field,
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its helipad and its stables.
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When I interviewed Berlusconi
for the first time, in yourvilla,
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I was surrounded by people.
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Image managers, spokespersons,
security guards, secretaries,
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everyone was there
to protect you.
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After a long wait,
Berlusconi finally appeared,
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greeting everyone,
full of charisma and charm.
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Calm down, give me your shoulder.
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The several times we met,
in your house in Arcore,
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we went through the various chapters
the story of your life,
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turning the pages one by one.
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My life was a series
of challenges, a great battle.
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All the goals I set
were very difficult to reach,
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because they were always very ambitious.
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Berlusconi is proud
from hisvilla from the 18th century,
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despite the accusations of having it
bought cheap in the 70s
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in a controversial business,
engineered by his lawyer,
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Cesare Previti, who, later,
was convicted and sent to prison
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under the accusation
of having bribed a judge.
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Arcore is the place
Where do you feel most at home?
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Yes.
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It is the main house in my life.
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And Sardinia.
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And Sardinia, in summer.
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Right.
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Before you tell me
the story of your life,
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Berlusconi insists on guided tour
It's yourvilla with 72 rooms.
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This is Saint Martin,
who gave half of the cloak to the beggar.
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The name of the house comes from him,
of São Martinho.
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This is the chapel.
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- I feel like I'm still with them.
- Are these your parents' ashes?
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Yes, from my father and my mother.
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And here,
are my sister's ashes,
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from my younger sister
and his daughter, who have already passed away.
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- They were in the center.
- Marie Antoinette?
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Maria and her daughter.
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Someone put this here without me knowing,
but I'll put them back here.
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I want to get something there
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to be visible,
right in the center.
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After seeing the family chapel,
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I wanted to show myself
your private art collection.
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Come on!
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I warned
to keep the dogs out of here!
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This sculpture is called
The Three Graces.
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It is a sculpture by Cellini or,
in any case, from your school.
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And here we have...
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And here we have a collection
of paintings from the 16th century.
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This one is famous.
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It is a self-portrait by Rembrandt.
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Very beautiful.
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And this one is by Titian.
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This one is very famous.
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For a long time,
it was said that this was Raphael's,
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but then he was demoted
It is the “School of Rafael” category.
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It's incredible, very beautiful.
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You can really see
which is from Rafael's school.
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This part of thevilla
it was restored in the 80s
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when did it become
at Berlusconi's headquarters.
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This is the original well of the house...
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...where they used to get water from.
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See how beautiful it is.
The water was down there.
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This looks like an armored room.
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Yes, it's my office.
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I had five-sport teams.
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In volleyball, world champions.
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In rugby,European champions.
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In hockey, European champions.
In rugby,champions of Italy.
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And baseball and football teams.
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{\an8}CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
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{\an8}- This desk is historic.
- Yes, exactly.
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Everything is the same.
There are many memories here.
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And these are some of mine
many real estate projects,
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entire satellite cities
which he built.
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- "Milano 2."
- "Milano 2", "Milano 3".
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Several shopping centers.
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And that painting, with the microphone?
Who is the person with the microphone?
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It is me!
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- The Lord?
- Me, singing, aged 16.
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It's a photo of me, singing,
when I was 16 years old.
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As I told you,
I was always the cutest guy on the beach.
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And here are lots of prizes,
all the awards I received.
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- And that?
- That's...
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This is the end of the Cold War.
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ROME SUMMIT
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Me, between Putin and Bush, in 2002,
in Pratica di Mare, in Rome.
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What I did was very important,
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among the things I got
that I'm proud of.
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And, up there, are some trophies
that I won with AC Milan.
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I'm still the president of the club
football with the most titles in history.
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These are objects
that Gaddafi gave me.
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- Which?
- The four of them.
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I think they come
of ancient Roman ruins in Libya.
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- I also used to sleep here.
- Where?
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I used to work and sleep here.
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It has everything.
Bathroom, shower, everything.
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There is also a Jacuzzi,
fully equipped.
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{\an8}And these are all the gifts
that they offered me.
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"Silvio Berlusconi, for his contribution
for international broadcasts.
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1992, New York City."
An Emmy.
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That's two flags from when
I addressed the US Congress.
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USA FLAG
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I spoke to congress
and I achieved a personal best.
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I had the largest number
of standing ovations during a speech.
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This was given to me
by the Queen of England.
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- For Queen Elizabeth II?
- By Queen Elizabeth II.
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It's a television from 1936,
the year I was born.
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At that time, the only country
with televisions it was Great Britain.
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Berlusconi is proud of everything,
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including your fleet
by private jets.
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It's my fleet of private jets.
These helicopters and planes are mine.
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- How many planes do you have?
- Five.
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- Five?
- Yes.
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This is my theater.
The debut was 30 years ago.
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Exactly... in the 1978 season.
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MANZONI THEATER
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1973, 1978, 1988, 1998, 2008 and 2014,
that is, 36 years ago.
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This is the poster for Teatro Manzoni.
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At that time,
I was the theater manager.
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And those were the pieces
what they used to do with actors...
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Among the actors of Teatro Manzoni,
there was a certain Veronica Lario.
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Berlusconi saw her for the first time
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when represented
a scene on stage, half naked,
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during a comedy, in 1980.
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It was backstage at Teatro Manzoni
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that Berlusconi
wooed Veronica Lario.
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Despite already being married
and father of two children,
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Marina and Piersilvio,
he got together with the actress,
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and, five years later, it began
separating from his first wife.
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I had two marriages,
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I had two children from the first,
and three, of the second.
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I was always a husband
who lived a family life,
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I always tried to spend my free time,
especially weekends,
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with my children.
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Berlusconi seduced his first wife,
Carla Dall'Olio,
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in 1960, aged just 24.
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He met her
at a train station in Milan.
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Suddenly I saw the graceful silhouette
of a girl in front of me,
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that if he was, too,
saying goodbye to a friend.
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I thought, "We're both alone,
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we could keep company
each other."
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But it was just something I thought.
Then, I went down the station stairs.
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And I saw her again,
walking in front of me,
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and I admired her again.
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I went to get my car
and passed the tram stop,
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and there she was again,
with your silhouette
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which seemed to say to me: "Take me!"
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"Take me!" he seemed to say to her
the silhouette of his first wife.
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When I asked what he was looking for
on a woman, it wasn't shy at all.
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First, we have to really like her.
She has to be beautiful.
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It has to provoke desire in us.
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I don't think I ever went to bed
with one of my wives,
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in the heights
in which we were very much in love,
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without wanting it
not even without making love to her.
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Berlusconi'svilla is full
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more than memories
from ex-wives.
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You have your whole life here,
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from personal souvenirs
official awards.
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Here are all the prizes
that I received.
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I have many.
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All the awards I received.
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Around 1000 in total
I believe, in 20 years of government.
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There were many more, but I don't see them.
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I don't know where they went.
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Strange. There were many here.
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Berlusconi seems to think
that there is a thief at home.
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It's strange. There were many things.
They must have stolen them.
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Someone must have taken them,
because they were beautiful things that I received.
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Who knows where they will be!
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They were beautiful things and now they are gone.
Well, let's go.
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Ahead,
I have five more divisions like this.
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This is all stuff
that people send me.
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I have 300 paintings of myself.
One day, I will do a big exhibition.
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They sent me 300 paintings.
Check out this one, of me as Superman.
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- And this one?
- It's better not to film.
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I'm joking.
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Next, I have eight divisions like this,
full of things.
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It's better not to film this,
because it is dangerous.
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In Italy, it is not allowed.
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I received it as a gift,
It's not my responsibility.
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More frames, as you can see.
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Me and my mother.
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- Which one is your mother?
- My mom.
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I have 300.
I have eight divisions like this.
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My mommy again. And again.
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When I met him, I realized that his mother
played a preponderant role
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in the training of the future leader.
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Silvio Berlusconi was born
in a lower-middle class family,
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in Milan, in 1936.
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At the age of six, he was evacuated
with the family to the rural region
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after the bombings
in series of the Allies,
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during World War II.
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It was there,
with his mother, sister and family,
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who grew up the hard way.
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At school, I wasn't very popular,
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like the other kids
who had been evacuated from Milan.
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And there was a bully
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who was always teasing me.
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One day in June,
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there was a storm,
where it rained a lot.
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On this day,
all the kids were there,
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and this bully said something bad to me.
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And, for the first time, I reacted.
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I grabbed his head, put it under
of a torrent of water and I shouted to him:
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"You will never say that again!
And now, who's in charge?"
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- He said: "You." And I released him.
- Did it work?
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From that moment on,
I became a leader for the rest of my life.
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Berlusconi's childhood
during World War II
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it was a formative experience,
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{\an8}just like your years
in a Catholic school in Milan.
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{\an8}SALESIAN COLLEGE
FROM S. AMBRýSIO
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He was an acolyte during mass.
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Then, I started playing the organ.
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And then I specialized in doing
welcome speeches
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when there were important guests.
A bishop, a cardinal, a superior.
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I was the valedictorian.
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In my family,
I have many nun aunts.
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When a cardinal arrived,
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they were in the public, watching
It's a welcome ceremony.
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And they used to tell me:
"What a great cardinal you would make."
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And it was like that.
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About 20 years ago, the last aunt I
left heard one of my speeches
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and said to me:
"You would have made a great pope."
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The Pope now communicates very well,
almost as well as you.
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Even said
that he does his job...
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Just as I would have done. Yes.
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And then someone said to me:
"You and the pope are the same age."
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And I replied:
"Yes, but I look a lot younger."
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The childhood friend
Fedele Confalonieri
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remember the days well
in secondary school.
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As a teenager,
Was Berlusconi a charismatic leader?
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What was he like?
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{\an8}Maybe the word "leader"
be too strong for a teenager.
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{\an8}PRESIDENT OF MEDIASET
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{\an8}But it already had some characteristics,
like sympathy,
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the ability to seduce others,
to entertain.
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In your early twenties,
Berlusconi did everything,
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sang on cruises in the Mediterranean
and in a Paris cabaret.
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Working on cruises was very hard
because we started in the morning
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with games on deck.
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- I organized the games.
- As an animator?
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Yes, a deck game entertainer.
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In the afternoon, we anchored in a port,
to visit cities,
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cities he had never seen before.
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But was he the tour guide?
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I informed myself beforehand to be the guide.
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I used to explain:
"It's right, it's left..."
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I had read about everything in a book.
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Then, in the evening,
from 9pm to midnight,
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the orchestra played
and the passengers danced.
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And from midnight to three in the morning,
it was me, "One voice and One guitar".
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As you can see, there was a lot of work.
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Before finishing school,
I went to Paris to improve my French
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and study comparative law.
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Italian law
and French civil law.
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And I had the opportunity
to sing in a cabaret.
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In Paris?
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Yes, I sang in that cabaret,
until my father went there one night.
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Someone had told him.
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He stood at the back of the hall and,
when I finished singing
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and I went back to my dressing room,
he went backstage and said:
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"Are you thinking about being a singer
your whole life?"
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I hugged him and, the next day,
we returned to Milan together,
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where I went back to study...
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...and my career
singer is over.
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At 25, Berlusconi convinced
a customer at his father's bank
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make him your partner
in your first real estate project.
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Starting like this
his Donald Trump phase
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earning millions
as a real estate developer
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in theboom of the 60s in Milan.
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Like Trump, the young Berlusconi
I was both an actor and a salesman,
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making almost everything to sell
your first apartment.
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I had to build a kind
sales office on the road
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which was next door
of the construction site.
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I remember it was July.
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I was a good-looking boy
and I wanted to get a tan,
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So there I was,
painting the tent, bare-chested.
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Suddenly,
A couple appeared and said to me:
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"Our daughter is getting married nearby,
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See, in that house over there.
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We would like to find
an apartment here.
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Could you give us some information?"
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Couldn't tell them
who was also the owner of the company
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and that he was painting.
Therefore, he said:
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"Wait a second,
I'm going to call the boss."
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I went inside, got dressed,
I put on a tie and left saying:
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"Good morning, how can I help you?"
And they bought their first apartment.
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The lady's husband told me:
"You know I saw a boy here,
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very much like you,
painting, a handsome boy..."
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I replied:
"Yes, it's my cousin. It's a little...
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I don't mean dumb, but you know,
We have to help the family."
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Berlusconi was a great salesman,
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measurement
that his projects grew,
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continued to receive financial support
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from Banca Rasini, in Milan,
where your father worked...
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...a bank once described
by famous criminal Michele Sindona
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as having connections to the mafia.
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The former prosecutor of Palermo,
Antonio Ingroia,
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years passed
trying to establish connections
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between the bank, the mafia and Berlusconi.
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What was Banca Rasini?
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{\an8}It was the bank where his father
by Silvio Berlusconi worked...
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{\an8}FORMER ANTI-FIA ATTORNEY
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{\an8}... but, mainly,
the bank founded by Michele Sindona.
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It was the bank that had been
the mafia treasure vault in Milan.
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We managed to find microfilm
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with some of the financial operations
which showed large discrepancies,
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especially in the number of holdings
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who were behind Fininvest.
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Holdingswhere,
suddenly and periodically,
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huge amounts were deposited,
but whose origin has never been explained.
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Berlusconi never explained
Where did this money come from?
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Berlusconi categorically denies it
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that mafia money helped him
starting in the real estate business.
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But he admits that a lot
initial investment capital
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came from Swiss bank accounts.
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Because they were investments in Italy
financed by Swiss companies?
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First, I would like to say that,
in relation to Fininvest,
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the system of 22 holdingswas us
imposed by our tax lawyer.
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The holdingswere all Italian,
and no, Swiss.
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But the financing came...
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In the beginning, we were...
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... from funds from Lugano,
with names like Rezzonico...
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...financed by some funds
from Lugano, because we had
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partners like Mr. Piccitto,
a well-known tax consultant,
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or Mr. Rasini, the bank owner
where my father worked,
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who had legitimate money
deposited in Switzerland.
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Thus, they invested in capital,
sending money from Switzerland.
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But how do you respond to the accusations?
of a possible connection between the mafia
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and Banca Rasini,
Where did your father work?
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And that explains the connection.
Are you aware of these accusations?
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They are complete nonsense!
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They invented this to harm me,
because they were jealous of me
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and considered me an enemy.
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Berlusconi denied the accusations
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that he had offered a bribe
to be able to build in Milan,
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but admits that bribes
they were an accepted practice at the time.
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To get the licenses
to build a house,
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we had to have an envelope
full of money on hand.
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Confaloniere denies the stories
about mafia money.
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{\an8}Mafia money? Please!
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{\an8}Berlusconi started with 30 million,
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{\an8}the compensation money
due to his father's dismissal,
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that he invested, with his partners.
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At the time,
the real estate sector was doing very well.
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The strongest line of investigation
that we follow
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It was based on the idea...
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...from the introduction
of dirty mafia money
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in the heritage of Silvio Berlusconi.
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At the time, it was the initial hypothesis,
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the illicit origin
of Fininvest funds.
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Some informants,
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especially the mafioso
Francesco DiCarlo,
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They told us about a crucial meeting.
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A meeting in which Stefano Bontade,
the head of the Sicilian mafia at the time,
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accompanied by Marcello Dell'Utri
and Vittorio Mangano,
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met with Silvio Berlusconi.
At that meeting, they reached an agreement.
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The mafia would invest in Milan,
through Berlusconi,
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and Berlusconi would receive protection.
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Palermo prosecutors may have
suspected of links to the mafia,
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but they never managed to prove them.
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They also investigated
the strange case of Vittorio Mangano,
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a mafia hitman and drug dealer
of drugs, which in the 70s
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he was hired to look after thevilla
and Berlusconi's Arcore stables.
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Of all candidates interviewed
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to be responsible,
or foreman, of this house in Arcore,
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to take care of the villa
and the horses...
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... because I would recommend Dell'Utri
someone so dangerous
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like a killer
convicted mafia...
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... at the time, still
he was not condemned, that was later,
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but why would I choose someone
as dangerous as Vittorio Mangano?
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Because when I hired him,
there was nothing in it
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that could make me think
who was linked to the mafia.
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That's it.
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When I purchased this property,
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I had to find
someone responsible for her,
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especially someone
who could take care of the horses.
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We had about ten or 12 at the time,
who participated in races.
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We place advertisements,
but we didn't find anyone.
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So,
my friend and assistant Dell'Utri
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he remembered a person in Palermo.
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And asked him if he knew anyone
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who was good with horses,
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and the answer was:
"If it's for Berlusconi, I'll go!"
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In relation to Vittorio Mangano,
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your only connection with horses
were the drug seizures,
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which he called "horses"
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during telephone tapping
what the police did at the time.
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We have a telephone conversation,
in which Mangano asks a drug dealer,
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your accomplice,
who picks up "the horses" at the hotel.
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It is unlikely that Vittorio Mangano
had horses in a hotel room.
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According to the researchers,
Mangano was the link between the mafia
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and the business world
close to the mafia,
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including Berlusconi's friend
Marcello Dell'Utri,
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which was later condemned
for his association with the mafia.
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Mangano, according to some,
I was in Arcore
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to serve as protection
against kidnappers in the 70s.
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The truth is that I was
the most prominent famous businessman
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of Italy at that time.
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In those days, the mafia used to kidnap
many rich people.
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There were letters about me,
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of which the Milan prosecutors
they had knowledge,
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with kidnapping threats
in relation to my son.
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Not attempts, but threats.
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I was forced to take my wife
and my children out,
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having to cross several countries
until we put them in Spain.
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Dell'Utri, years after Mangano
be condemned,
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continued in contact with him.
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Did you know they still communicated?
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No, I didn't know that.
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In your opinion,
Isn't Dell'Utri a mobster?
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He is the best person
you can imagine.
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He is an extremely cultured person,
the greatest Italian bibliophile.
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Among many things,
You know the Divine Comedy by heart.
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He has a beautiful family, four children.
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He was a member of Opus Dei,
He is a practicing Catholic.
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All your employees
they like him and respect him.
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I'm sure he's in prison
and of which he was condemned
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just for being my friend.
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Berlusconi doesn't feel comfortable
and your staff tries to help you
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with some gestures
outside the camera lens.
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During the recording of the interviews,
staff always try to protect you.
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Sometimes
they even try to block the cameras.
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Sometimes, subtly,
others, more clearly.
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That's enough!
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For Stefano Folli, the analyst
Italy's most respected politician,
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there was always something suspicious
on Berlusconi's initial finances.
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{\an8}I believe there is something dark
in the way Berlusconi...
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{\an8}POLITICAL ANALYST
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{\an8}... initially built his fortune.
There was an original sin.
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But regardless
Berlusconi's money supply,
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even his critics agree
in which he was an innovator.
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I am convinced that Berlusconi
he has always been an innovator.
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First, in the real estate sector,
then, on television,
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what does this mean
which modernized several sectors.
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But he was always linked to politics.
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He was very cunning and careful
in the way he linked his personal fortune
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to political contacts.
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Berlusconi made his first million,
as a young businessman in the 70s
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when he invented Milano Due,
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a self-sufficient community
on the outskirts of Milan.
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At that time, he didn't just sell
a block of apartments,
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but a new lifestyleyuppie.
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{\an8}The real news
was created here, in Italy,
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of a city
completely self-sufficient.
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With all types of services,
from nurseries to schools, churches,
476
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,280
hospitals and shopping centers,
all together.
477
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,400
Around the late 1970s
478
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,480
� as it became
a famous real estate businessman,
479
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,840
Berlusconi did not rest and,
at this time, your interest
480
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,440
began to turn towards the world
from the show, to television.
481
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,480
What are we talking about?
482
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,680
From the beginning of private television,
if you don't mind.
483
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,040
I'm ready.
484
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840
It was thanks to a series
judicial sentences
485
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,400
what Berlusconi started thinking
to face the monopoly
486
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,880
from the television station
Italian public RAI.
487
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,440
This is how brother Paolo put it
at the command of the real estate empire
488
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,080
and applied his Midas touch
on television.
489
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,200
At the time,
There were only public stations in Europe.
490
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:26,880
The seasons
were the private property of politicians
491
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,920
The only people with access
On television were journalists,
492
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,960
friends of politicians and companies
493
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,080
who had a good relationship
with politicians.
494
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,720
Berlusconi felt
that this could be an opportunity
495
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,520
{\an8}extraordinary business.
496
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,760
{\an8}In 1978, he bought
a small television channel,
497
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,600
buy frequencies
and creates TeleMilano58.
498
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,600
{\an8}Puts a local TV channel on the air,
499
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,560
{\an8}but you realize
that a local station...
500
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,560
... is not enough.
501
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Therefore, it brings together a series
of local and regional channels,
502
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,560
which were the type of channels
permitted by law.
503
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,040
Because the law said you could create
a private station,
504
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,600
but only locally.
505
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320
To some extent, I realized that,
to have better advertisers,
506
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,880
it was necessary to show the advertisements
507
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,240
not only locally,
as at the national level.
508
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,080
It was there
that I invented live streaming,
509
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,000
which wasn't truly live.
510
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600
Recorded television programs
a few days in advance.
511
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,200
to the farms,
we recorded the Sunday programs,
512
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,160
and I put up big signs
in the stadium saying:
513
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,000
"Remember! Today is Sunday!"
514
00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:00,560
So, we recorded the original
and we sent it to all channels
515
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,440
that we brought into our consortium,
to our network.
516
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,840
{\an8}Berlusconi bought the rights
Television channels fromDallas andDynasty.
517
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,200
And brought American hedonism
from the Reagan era to Italy.
518
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,200
{\an8}Drive in
519
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,120
Drive in
520
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,480
{\an8}Drive in
521
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,360
{\an8}It also revolutionized the way
advertising spaces were sold.
522
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:35,320
Advertising agencies
they did everything
523
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,640
for companies.
524
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,160
Not just the message,
the ad itself,
525
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,840
as well as the positioning
of advertising on one network or another.
526
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:53,520
So I came full circle
to interactions with agencies,
527
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:56,880
going directly to companies.
528
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,040
- It was difficult to enter this world.
- Did you remove advertising agencies?
529
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,080
Yes, I had to, because the agencies
They didn't give us anything.
530
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,240
They asked for 15 to 20 percent.
531
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,600
Yes, but they only gave us crumbs.
532
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,640
At a certain point, to convince
the companies of this new method,
533
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,400
I invented a formula
which was risky for us,
534
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600
This is what we call "Operation Risk".
535
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,800
Operation Risk
It consisted of the following...
536
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,560
We say to a company:
537
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,560
"You invest R$100 million.
Instead of 100 million,
538
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,640
we will pass advertisements
worth R$500 million,
539
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,600
at our own risk.
540
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,000
And you only pay us
if your sales increase.”
541
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Berlusconi's intuition
proved to be a great success
542
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,280
and in the early 80s
543
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,760
had created and purchased
three national stations.
544
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,000
I was invading
the monopoly of public stations
545
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,760
and becoming a billionaire.
546
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,520
{\an8}But I was breaking the law
which prohibited national emissions.
547
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,720
In 1984, its TV stations
closed by court decision.
548
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,080
The man who saved him at the time was
Prime Minister Bettino Craxi,
549
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,720
friend and political ally
by Berlusconi.
550
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,800
Prime Minister Craxi,
a friend of yours at the time,
551
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,280
signed three separate laws
who put it back in the air,
552
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440
basically legitimizing it.
553
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,680
What happened?
There were those who said they bribed.
554
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,400
They said he used their friendship.
They said a lot of things.
555
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,640
What is the truth?
556
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:40,760
I think that my friendship with Craxi
557
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:47,200
was important in this decision.
I explained in detail to Craxi
558
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,680
like private television
was fundamental to the economy.
559
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,720
And I was grateful to Bettino Craxi
so but he did it
560
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,760
with majority support.
- Of the five parties.
561
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,040
Prime Minister Craxi went later
tried and convicted of corruption,
562
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,400
and Berlusconi sentenced
for transferring millions of dollars
563
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,080
to an offshore accountfrom Craxi.
564
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,960
The conviction was later overturned
for having prescribed it.
565
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,840
Berlusconi, of course, denies everything.
566
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:28,320
I've never had that kind of relationship
with some politician.
567
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,160
For several months,
568
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,240
I asked Berlusconi several times
about the Craxi case.
569
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Let's talk about the All Iberian process.
570
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,840
It was the offshore company
571
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,200
that the Fininvest group
572
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,800
was accused of using
to finance parties illegally.
573
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:56,280
And the judges declared him guilty
574
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,160
to transfer 22 billion liras
575
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,920
for Bettino Craxi between 1991 and 1992.
576
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,640
He was condemned, but the condemnation
was rejected on appeal,
577
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,280
because the deadline has expired.
578
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,280
Can you tell me your version
of this story and, above all,
579
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
if they said there was money
in Craxi's account
580
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,480
and there was a condemnation,
581
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,720
How can you deny it?
582
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,240
Nego, porque n�o � verdade.
Bettino Craxi was a close friend.
583
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,400
The money that political parties
obtained, in one way or another,
584
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,040
was essential to maintain
its open subdivisions,
585
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,600
to pay telephone bills,
for advertising, for posters.
586
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,760
That's the real story.
587
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,120
Of course there were also
cases of personal corruption, etc.
588
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,640
Even the most honest politicians
589
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,440
had to finance
their activities in some way.
590
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,840
Let us remember that political parties
are institutions
591
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,320
necessary, essential to democracy.
592
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,880
So, to conclude this matter,
which, for many Italians,
593
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,400
It is a symbol of hate
what they feel for you...
594
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,200
The left has been repeating this for 20 years...
595
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Berlusconi paid Craxi... You,
Fininvest, or someone on its behalf,
596
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,440
your friends,
or businessmen, or financiers...
597
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,840
Berlusconi and company
they never gave Craxi a penny
598
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,600
and the conviction was false?
599
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,920
I don't remember that conviction.
600
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,200
It would have been a condemnation
in the first instance, or so.
601
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,600
- In the first instance, yes.
- And then?
602
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,480
This is part
of anti-Berlusconi advertising.
603
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:53,400
{\an8}It doesn't surprise me
that has been financed in various ways
604
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,360
and it surprises me even less
that denies it.
605
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Do you think prescribing
606
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,600
It's the same as acquitting, but it's not.
607
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,400
See, I'm spilling blood for you.
608
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,320
My God.
609
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,560
On a day of recording, Berlusconi
cut himself on a sheet of paper.
610
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,960
But, back to our story,
after private TV stations
611
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,040
be legalized by Craxi,
Berlusconi made billions,
612
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,280
with profit from advertisements
rising an average of 48% per year,
613
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,800
during the 80s.
614
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,360
In this decade, it brought popstars
like Barbara Streisand and Rod Stewart
615
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,960
Italy, and tried to repeat its success
from your Canale5, next door, in France,
616
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,640
with a channel called La Cinq,
and in Spain, with Telecinco.
617
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,960
{\an8}While the Italian unraveling
618
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,520
{\an8}Berlusconi's television style
translated well in Spain,
619
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640
this was not the case
in closed French culture.
620
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,880
{\an8}After six turbulent and difficult seasons
years, La Cinq was closed,
621
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:02,120
{\an8}a rare failure for Berlusconi.
622
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400
But, on the same day in 1986
623
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,960
in which Berlusconi
launched his channel in France,
624
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,480
{\an8}started a new adventure in Italy,
625
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,640
when purchasing
the football club AC Milan.
626
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,320
{\an8}The longtime coach
Adriano Galliani,
627
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,720
{\an8}remember how Berlusconi
628
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,000
made his dramatic entrance,
making three helicopters fly
629
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,000
over the Milan stadium,
630
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,800
with football stars
jumping onto the field.
631
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,960
I remember it perfectly.
It was July 18, 1986.
632
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:34,080
If I remember correctly, you were inspired
in Apocalypse Nowor something...
633
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,840
{\an8}Yes, it was about two things.
634
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,560
{\an8}One, it was the idea of arriving
by helicopter...
635
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,080
{\an8}CEO OF AC MILO
636
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,600
{\an8}... instead of coming by car
or on the club bus.
637
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:49,440
To give a sense of importance,
a feeling of grandeur.
638
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,640
In those years there was a film
which had been very successful,
639
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,360
the Apocalypse Now,so we decided
enter the stadium by helicopter
640
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,960
and use the soundtrack,
with the "Ride of the Valkyries".
641
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,880
But back then,
for the public...
642
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,200
SHOW BROWS UP IN MILO
643
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,320
... more than just being Wagner,
it was Apocalypse Now.
644
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Berlusconi still likes it
to make a grand entrance
645
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680
and loves your trip
weekly helicopter ride
646
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,600
to training camp
from AC Milan in Milanello.
647
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,960
- Prime Minister...
- How are you?
648
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,920
- Very good, you?
- Well thanks.
649
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,200
- Hello, how are you?
- Hello. Well.
650
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,120
There is the hard-working region
from Brianza.
651
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:06,040
Warehouses, factories, houses...
All together.
652
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,360
- Hello, how are you?
- Well thanks.
653
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,440
{\an8}When did you build Milanello?
654
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,320
{\an8}I think it was built in 1935.
655
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:47,800
I revitalized it a little, modernized it,
I added a few more fields.
656
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,560
Here we are! How are you?
657
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,160
You're better off this way.
658
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,640
Hello. The newspapers said
that you are better.
659
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:06,960
Hello.
660
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,960
- Your wife?
- It's fine.
661
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,200
- The children?
- Also.
662
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,800
- Are you okay?
- Yes.
663
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,480
And the house? Are you adapting well?
664
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,720
No problem?
665
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,160
For your birthday,
we wanted to give him something.
666
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,680
No, really?
667
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:28,440
Thank you very much, I feel honored.
668
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,680
In a room of my house,
I have all the gifts
669
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,520
that the Milan players gave me
in the last 30 years.
670
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,720
There is one, in particular,
which I really liked,
671
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,320
but I can't say which now,
because they are filming us.
672
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,120
I'll tell you another time.
673
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,760
How beautiful! I understand what this is.
674
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,800
I've never seen so many good-looking boys
like the ones here.
675
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,000
You are very good-looking
and elegant, with Casa Milan behind,
676
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,880
the most beautiful headquarters
of a football club in the world.
677
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,080
Thank you very much.
678
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,200
I saw your last two games.
679
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Did you know how to do
a harmonious and fun game,
680
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,120
they played like a great team.
681
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,840
I saw they did very well
in the corners.
682
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,640
But, I remind you,
everyone has to be in the area
683
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:31,720
when the ball has already broken,
or is almost breaking.
684
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,080
For the defender's instinctive reaction,
who can't look at you
685
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040
and for the ball at the same time,
be blocking your path.
686
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:45,320
I won a lot of pennies that way,
mas t�m de fazer bem.
687
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,240
I also want to remind you to,
fifteen to 20 minutes before the end,
688
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,000
maintain possession of the ball.
689
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,040
O que grita o treinador
da linha lateral?
690
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,840
- Atacar!
- Atacar!
691
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,880
But you have to shout loudly: "Attack!"
692
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,360
What does it mean to stick the ball to the foot.
693
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,280
E, depois,
turn around and go the other direction.
694
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,520
- Let's see if they can hear you.
- Atacar!
695
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Higher!
696
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,840
- Vou perder minha voz.
- Louder, we're in a stadium!
697
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,880
- Atacar!
- Higher!
698
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,520
- Atacar!
- Oi�am: "Atacar!"
699
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,200
Who was better? Me, right?
I'm always number one.
700
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Goodbye! Thank you for the gift.
701
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,720
Thank you very much. Goodbye.
702
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,720
Congratulations on the goals and everything.
Very good.
703
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,160
Thanks.
704
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:41,800
When will you introduce me
Is it your wife?
705
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,560
Just to see you, I'm already old,
I can't do anything anymore, but...
706
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Everyone says she's the most beautiful.
707
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,280
Goodbye! Stay safe, guys!
708
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,360
How many years have you been at AC Milan?
709
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,120
Thirty.
710
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:09,760
Thirty years! Congratulations.
It looks younger.
711
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Almost younger than me.
712
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,360
Goodbye and thanks, guys!
713
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,640
I want to form a team.
714
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,320
I'll come here every Friday,
starting with this one.
715
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
I want a Milan like it used to be.
716
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:37,760
I want them to be Italian, young,
thirsty for money and glory,
717
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,000
no tattoos or earrings.
718
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,240
The only place where they can have
an earring is on the penis.
719
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,480
With Milan's repeated triumphs,
720
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,720
Berlusconi became
a national hero,
721
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,480
with millions of football fans
to become Berlusconi fans.
722
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,280
He later used the football chant
"Forza Milan"
723
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,680
to create a political party
which he called "Forza Italia",
724
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,160
or "Go ahead, Italy".
725
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,600
I believe that sport was essential
for Silvio Berlusconi.
726
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,680
{\an8}He was also an innovator in this regard.
727
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,200
{\an8}No one in Italy
used a football club
728
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,080
{\an8}to build a public image.
729
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,880
I decided to enter the field of politics,
730
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,240
because I don't want to live
in an illiberal country.
731
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,800
I would create Forza Italia from the ashes
from an Italian political party,
732
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,120
{\an8}which was destroyed by a series
of known scandals,
733
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,640
{\an8}in Italy,
like the scandalsTangentopoli.
734
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:00,040
The only possibility there was
was to create something that opposed
735
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,320
to the gain of power by
of the Italian communist party,
736
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:10,560
in other words, create a new movement
conservative and liberal Italian.
737
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,440
Most of the country
it was made up of moderate Italians.
738
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,160
I found myself forced to make this decision.
739
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,800
If you want,
I tell him about the night I...
740
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,440
By all means, please.
When was that?
741
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,240
When I told my friends,
to my managers, to my children
742
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,000
and the decision I was going to make is my mother.
743
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,360
Here, in Arcore? When?
744
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,760
Yes. I invited them to dinner.
In January 1994.
745
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,760
And I looked at the situation with them.
746
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,680
And said, "I feel like it's my duty
take this step."
747
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,520
You can't even imagine...
748
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,520
...how they reacted.
749
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,680
Everyone was opposed to the idea.
750
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,760
And my mother, who always
had an eye for the future, he said:
751
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,520
"They will try to destroy you.
752
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,360
You saw what they did to others,
they got us out of the way.”
753
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,640
What were the risks?
754
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,720
{\an8}The judiciary
puts us under the microscope
755
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,400
{\an8}and find out what's wrong
to find out.
756
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,280
When he decided to go to
politics, there were already investigations
757
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,880
that you were aware of?
758
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Or was it just a rational analysis
of Italian culture?
759
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,440
There were investigations. In April,
760
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:44,640
tax authorities have already
had come to our offices.
761
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,080
- In April 1993?
- From 1993.
762
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,480
And why? For illegal financing
of political parties.
763
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,400
But it was there at that time, in 1993,
764
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,160
Berlusconi's critics suggested
who had gone into politics
765
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:01,040
because it was under investigation
and thought I would get immunity
766
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,200
or because your company was bankrupt
and he needed the money.
767
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,920
Is it true or false?
768
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,360
Completely lie, a falsehood.
769
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,280
That was the first stone
of a castle of lies
770
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,320
built against Berlusconi.
771
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:26,160
If we ask Berlusconi
if it's true that he went into politics
772
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:30,920
to protect the corporate empire
and avoid being sued
773
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,440
we received a clear denial.
774
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,520
They are absolute lies,
the opposite of reality.
775
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,320
In either case, there is no doubt
776
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,360
{\an8}from which Berlusconi launched his career
politics in a spectacular way.
777
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Gathered the troops at Mediaset,
your television empire.
778
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,840
The stars, themarketing people,
opinion pollsters,
779
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,440
study groups,
and introduced himself...
780
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,680
{\an8}TO COUNT MORE IN EUROPE
781
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,440
{\an8}... to him and the party,
like an advertisement.
782
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,360
Launched his party
in January 1994,
783
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,360
with a populist video message
nine minutes for the nation.
784
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,400
I tell you we can do it.
785
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,920
I tell you we have to build
a new Italian miracle together,
786
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,120
for us and for our children.
787
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,320
From beginning to end,
it took him 60 days to be elected.
788
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,520
Berlusconi got a lot out of it
from television
789
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,920
and your image
790
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,800
of prominent businessman
of the media.
791
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,320
Mainly, he introduced himself
like something new,
792
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,800
above all, due to the language
body and its presentation.
793
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,520
A completely innovative figure,
794
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,360
even though people know
some things about your past,
795
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:54,160
about connections to Craxi and others
discredited political leaders.
796
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,200
Berlusconi did not appear immediately
able to govern.
797
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,800
Actually, I was more used to it
to be CEO than prime minister.
798
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,520
And I didn't have much respect
by parliament.
799
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:05,960
It was a disaster.
800
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,120
A disaster because there was a time
801
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,960
in which I participated
in the work in parliament,
802
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,360
which is nothing more than a large courtyard
where people snoop
803
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,120
and they talk badly behind people's backs.
804
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Few elements
of parliament worked,
805
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,080
we could say, like 100 or so.
806
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:35,400
For a businessman who worked
from early morning until very late,
807
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,440
it was a disaster.
808
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,400
Berlusconi's first term
didn't last long.
809
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,160
It's only been six months
after taking office.
810
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,760
During a UN conference
in Naples on organized crime,
811
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,080
Berlusconi was hit
by the headlines...
812
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,400
BERLUSCONI INVESTIGATED
813
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,400
... who said it would be
under investigation for corruption.
814
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,920
Had to be available
to be interrogated
815
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,200
about the allegations of having bribed
tax officials.
816
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,920
They put me under investigation,
817
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:14,480
which was basically enough
818
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,120
to keep anyone away from politics.
819
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:20,520
Berlusconi's government fell,
820
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,480
and he would face six long years
away from the political spotlight,
821
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,200
collecting bribery charges,
822
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,720
money laundering
and corruption, however.
823
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,840
But, after six years,
its old magic has returned
824
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,920
and managed to gather consensus
from the Italian center-right.
825
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,200
{\an8}Silvio Berlusconi
He is a very persistent person.
826
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,080
{\an8} is a formidable fighter.
It's been that way all my life.
827
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,280
He's already old, but on better days,
it was very strong.
828
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,760
Despite having been there for six years
away from the political panorama,
829
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,680
he managed to keep
its political influence,
830
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,360
your leadership
and rebuild political alliances.
831
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,200
In a country still angry and frustrated,
832
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,200
presented himself as someone capable
to lead in the political world.
833
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,680
In 2001, he returned
to the Prime Minister's office
834
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,760
and made new friends on the world stage.
835
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,240
Two of them would soon become
Berlusconi's best friends,
836
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680
George W. Bush and Vladimir Putin.
837
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,560
For Silvio Berlusconi, upon meeting
Bush, it was love at first sight.
838
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:38,120
{\an8}Here... For Silvio,
with respect and admiration,
839
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,880
{\an8}George W. Bush.
840
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:44,840
They were close friends and had more
than a mere political alliance,
841
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,600
they worked together.
842
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,720
I have to say we feel
soon a connection between us.
843
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,280
Berlusconi met Bush
in the summer of 2001.
844
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,480
They created bonds in the middle of the tragedy
violence at the G8 summit in Genoa
845
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,520
this July, when Protestants
became violent
846
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,440
and the police killed a young man.
847
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,120
It was at the same summit as Berlusconi
met another world leader
848
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,360
who would become a close friend,
Vladimir Putin.
849
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:21,480
I think it was love at first sight,
850
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,880
at least on my part,
851
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,920
and I think the same thing happened to him.
852
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:32,080
Little by little, we became friends and,
a year later,
853
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,520
I got something
which I am very proud of,
854
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,800
as a man of the state.
855
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:46,040
The meeting in Pratica di Mare,
in Italy, which took place in 2002.
856
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:47,800
This, in my opinion,
857
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,880
put an end to the Cold War
that has devastated us for decades.
858
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,000
AIR FORCE
859
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,280
Most of your critics
is not so generous about her role
860
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,920
and remember that the Cold War ended
ten years before the pompous
861
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,680
treaty signed during the ceremony
in Pratica di Mare.
862
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,760
However, even critics
863
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,600
as the long-time correspondent
in Rome atLe Figaro,
864
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:12,880
Richard Heuz�,
865
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,800
they say there is no doubt about
the symbolic importance of the event.
866
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,200
It was perhaps the highest point
in post-Cold War relations
867
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,280
between Washington and Moscow.
868
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,080
{\an8}The NATO summit in Pratica di Mare
It was crucial because it was the first time...
869
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,600
{\an8}CORESPONDENT IN ROME
870
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,280
{\an8}... that Russia
returned to the global context,
871
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,040
as a partner
in international negotiations.
872
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,520
And that was really thanks to Berlusconi,
873
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:44,360
It's your personal relationship
with the Russian leader,
874
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,040
which had a great weight
in the success of the summit.
875
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,680
{\an8}� as Moscow and Washington
started to cooperate
876
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,840
in the war against terrorism,
877
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Berlusconi had a role
behind the scenes
878
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,680
as an intermediary
between East and West.
879
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:06,160
Putin himself admitted this
in a rare interview in the Kremlin.
880
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,560
{\an8}I hope you agree with me,
Mr Berlusconi is the man
881
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:12,600
{\an8}PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA
882
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,720
{\an8}... who stayed longer
in government in Italy,
883
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,280
in the post-war period,
what does it mean
884
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,320
which managed to attract not only
the attention of the Italians...
885
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,920
Vladimir is exactly
the opposite of the image
886
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:35,760
that the media
Westerners pass it by.
887
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,280
He is a true defender
888
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,400
of freedom
and democracy in your country.
889
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,920
...but also persuade them
890
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,720
that all your actions
891
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,840
are in the interests of Italians,
892
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:09,160
are to safeguard
the interests of the Italian people.
893
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,600
That's the first point.
894
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,880
The second is that he is a person
very interesting,
895
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,360
remarkable and direct.
896
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:25,480
And all this, I believe,
gives us reason to believe...
897
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,520
... who, as a politician and person,
898
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:36,280
Silvio Berlusconi will stay,
without a doubt,
899
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:43,160
in the history of Italy.
900
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,520
But it doesn't stop there.
901
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:54,160
Putin also confirmed that both
agreed on a series of issues,
902
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,400
from the opposition
Bush's invasion of Iraq,
903
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:02,040
opposition to regime change
in Libya, during the Arab Spring.
904
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,200
The conversations we had
were not limited, as a rule,
905
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,160
although, of course,
let's talk about these issues too,
906
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,840
but we talked a lot less
of everyday issues.
907
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,040
He prefers to address issues
in a long-term perspective.
908
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,920
Concerning Italy, Europe
and international relations.
909
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,840
In this sense, he is, without a doubt,
a truly remarkable man.
910
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,720
They certainly are an odd pair,
911
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,320
and Berlusconi denies the accusations
being a spokesman for Putin,
912
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,560
but tend
always be defending,
913
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,320
even in relation
It is Russia's annexation of Crimea.
914
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:52,000
Putin simply took
your army
915
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,680
to the border with Crimea,
with a single objective,
916
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:02,000
He didn't say, "I'm invading you."
No, he said, "Be careful.
917
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Do not oppose the will
918
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:13,160
of the people of Crimea, because,
If you do, I will invade you."
919
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,240
There are no doubts,
Berlusconi loves Putin.
920
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:21,800
I don't want to make comparisons.
921
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:27,040
I tell him that Putin
He is a determined and profound person.
922
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,360
It has a calm and sweet character.
923
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,560
In human relations,
He is a very dear friend.
924
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Vladimir Putin
comes to defend Berlusconi
925
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,200
in relation to the dozens
of accusations and trials.
926
01:01:44,192 --> 01:01:45,080
AUDIO FILE
927
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,840
I would like to say something.
928
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:53,640
Mr Berlusconi started in politics
in 1994, I believe.
929
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,480
Entered politics in 1993
and became prime minister.
930
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,120
Before that, he was a businessman
931
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,480
and never had any problems
with the forces of authority.
932
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,840
But, like this
who became prime minister,
933
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:15,000
{\an8}three dozen were raised
criminal proceedings against him.
934
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:19,840
And this division?
935
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,280
They are all things that were given to me.
936
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,160
This is Saint Petersburg.
937
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,160
I'm here, in the photo,
but it's not really me.
938
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,600
{\an8}It was Putin who decided:
"I don't want Prodi,
939
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,840
{\an8}I want Berlusconi's head."
And he put me there.
940
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,320
{\an8}You really know
How to change history, right?
941
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,360
{\an8}This is my younger sister,
it's me...
942
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,800
Putin spoke of three dozen
of cases against Berlusconi...
943
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:44,880
HAPPY DAYS
944
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,880
...but, over time, Berlusconi
would face more than 60 in total,
945
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,960
that they would color
and define your life,
946
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,560
almost as much
like the three victories in the elections.
947
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:00,120
For 20 years, Berlusconi would dominate
the nation, but always with scandals.
948
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:07,200
I'm absolutely sure
of my conduct. I always have.
949
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:12,200
In more than 60 processes,
I was only convicted once.
950
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,600
After 23 years of research,
accusations, processes...
951
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,400
Sorry, but it's many more years.
952
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,320
You also have to consider the years
by Silvio Berlusconi, businessman,
953
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:29,320
and you will see that the total is almost 50 years
of investigations and processes.
954
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,320
He told me that, in all these years,
955
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,240
spent R$600 million
in legal expenses?
956
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,240
- Almost 600 million.
- Of euros?
957
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Of euros.
958
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,160
His political rivals say
who escaped justice many times,
959
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,840
changing the laws,
to decriminalize certain crimes,
960
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:56,000
to give you immunity and to reduce
the statute of limitations.
961
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,280
The laws were changed.
962
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:04,680
Berlusconi managed to change the laws
and claim immunity.
963
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,440
He said they couldn't condemn him,
964
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,920
but when they were almost done,
he changed everything again.
965
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,040
Thanks to the majority in parliament
966
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,280
and its influence
in the media,
967
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,240
managed to change the political direction
and cultural aspects of the country.
968
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,320
That's what happened in Italy.
969
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,200
The Italians started
to distrust the judiciary,
970
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:31,200
changing political and cultural direction
that the country was taking,
971
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,280
because, today, the country looks more like
with Berlusconi,
972
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,440
in terms of culture and mentality.
973
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:44,000
He was acquitted because he reduced
the statute of limitations.
974
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,880
Berlusconi got away with crimes, didn't he?
thanks to a true absolution,
975
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,920
but thanks to the reduction in deadlines.
976
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:51,640
But during the process,
977
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,680
the statute of limitations
became much smaller.
978
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,680
Berlusconi was very good
changing the rules of the game.
979
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,720
is accused of having approved
several laws are your measure,
980
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,040
for example, decriminalization
of accounting fraud,
981
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:13,360
which helped him not to be condemned.
982
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,520
How do you respond to this accusation?
983
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,000
Bullshit.
984
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,120
What about accounting fraud?
985
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,440
I'm not having a good time
here, you know.
986
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,400
- It's all old stuff.
- Prime Minister Berlusconi...
987
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,120
Story after story...
988
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,840
- Prime Minister...
- Everything has been clarified.
989
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,400
Prime Minister Berlusconi, we did
24 interviews in the last 14 months.
990
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,520
This is the twenty-fifth.
991
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:42,840
It would be negligent of me
if I didn't ask you
992
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,000
about the accusations
that were made against you,
993
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,880
including the most serious ones...
994
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,760
From that point of view, I thank you.
995
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,400
He was accused of ties to the mafia,
996
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,560
to corrupt Craxi,
of several things, Prime Minister.
997
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,760
We need clarification,
once and for all,
998
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,120
since I'm writing
your biography!
999
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,680
- He's a foreigner.
- But even in Italy.
1000
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,760
Hi, I'm not here to judge you,
but to get answers.
1001
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,280
There are only four left
or five questions.
1002
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,040
Have patience, please!
1003
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:15,160
I trust you.
1004
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,200
{\an8}In early 2011,
1005
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,360
Berlusconi was indicted
for the crime of sex
1006
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:27,320
with an underage prostitute
Ruby Steals Hearts, 17 years old,
1007
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,600
whose real name is Karima El Mahroug,
born in Morocco.
1008
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,000
The magistrates of Milan
1009
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,320
{\an8}... they had hit him squarely.
1010
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,760
It had everything to do
with the so-called Bunga Bunga parties,
1011
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,520
allegedly, nights with ill fame
oflap dances and sexual fetishes
1012
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,080
in the villa of Arcore.
1013
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,760
Berlusconi denied everything,
1014
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:51,040
but offered a guided tour
it is the division that stated
1015
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,520
have been
the infamous Bunga Bunga division.
1016
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,200
Now, I will show you the legendary
celebrity worship hall
1017
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,680
Bunga Bunga nights.
1018
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,840
- Do you feel brave?
- Yes.
1019
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,560
- Let's go, then.
- Let's go.
1020
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,360
Here?
1021
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,680
- Are you prepared?
- Is it the Bunga Bunga division?
1022
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,560
- This one.
- It's just a big dining room.
1023
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:32,080
It's a dining room.
This was where the evenings took place.
1024
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,080
I sat there.
The orchestra was up there.
1025
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,720
Ready.
1026
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:48,600
The table is the same, nothing has changed.
1027
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,120
In fact, as I told you,
I continued, and still continue,
1028
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,840
to do these evenings,
these parties right here,
1029
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,600
with different guests.
On that occasion,
1030
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,920
there were several beautiful girls
1031
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,320
from the world of television and cinema,
because I'm a film producer.
1032
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,880
I do television and they were happy
for visiting the Prime Minister,
1033
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,240
the president of AC Milan,
the movie mogul,
1034
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,320
the man who won Oscars
Italians with their films,
1035
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:22,880
who makes television.
1036
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:29,080
Plus I think I'm fun,
an anomalous prime minister.
1037
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,640
And where did Ruby sit?
1038
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,280
- I don't remember!
- But was she one of the guests?
1039
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:34,480
Yes.
1040
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:40,000
Berlusconi tells me this
It is the famous Bunga Bunga division,
1041
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,080
But Ruby the Heart Stealer
has a different version.
1042
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,600
{\an8}What was in the division? What was it like?
1043
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,360
{\an8}When we went down the stairs,
there was a console...
1044
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,240
... with some armchairs at the foot.
1045
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:59,160
There was a kind of column,
with other square armchairs.
1046
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,520
Was there a dancing pole?
1047
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,000
- Yes.
- Very good.
1048
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:08,320
And while the music played,
some girls started to dance.
1049
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,720
Some dressed as nurses.
1050
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,280
See...
1051
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,600
I remember some names... Nicole
Minetti was dressed as a nun.
1052
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,160
- Marysthell was also there...
- Marysthell Polanco?
1053
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,400
Yes, she always dressed
of two characters,
1054
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:30,640
one was Obama, and the other, I don't know.
1055
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,520
I found out later
which was Ilda Boccassini.
1056
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,640
What is the origin of the expression
"Bunga Bunga"?
1057
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,960
Bunga Bunga is an old story.
It comes from a real event.
1058
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:52,720
Gaddafi always wanted me to go
The "King of Kings" ceremony.
1059
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:58,880
One year, I couldn't go because I had
a very important commitment.
1060
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:04,480
Then he asked me to send
two representatives, which I did.
1061
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,080
And here the story begins.
1062
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,720
The two were captured by the only
revolutionary tribe that remains.
1063
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:18,080
Are tied to a post,
in the center of the village,
1064
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,440
and perform a tribal dance
around them.
1065
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,440
The tribe makes guttural sounds,
and the only thing they notice is
1066
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,520
"Bunga Bunga".
1067
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,080
The dance ends and the wizard
approaches Cicchitto,
1068
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,760
one of them, and asks:
"Would you rather die or Bunga Bunga?"
1069
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,120
And, as anyone would do,
between dying or "Bunga Bunga",
1070
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,000
he chose "Bunga Bunga".
1071
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:53,480
And then, all the warriors
from the village went to him!
1072
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,920
The sorcerer approaches
from my other emissary, Bondi,
1073
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,160
and asks him:
"Do you want to die or 'Bunga Bunga'?"
1074
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,640
Bondi, having seen what had happened
to Cicchitto, he replies: "Die!"
1075
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,480
The sorcerer said, "Okay,
but first a little Bunga Bunga!"
1076
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,480
Despite being acquitted
accusation of child prostitution
1077
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:21,200
Berlusconi would be indicted again,
this time for the crime of bribing
1078
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:24,080
many of the girls,
to buy your silence
1079
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,360
and commit perjury
in the first trial.
1080
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,960
Again, he denied everything.
1081
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,480
All the guests who participated,
even if just once,
1082
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,640
at my dinners,
they saw their names in the newspapers.
1083
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,800
Since then, their names
were linked to this process
1084
01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:49,760
and, if you look for them on the Internet,
1085
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,120
these girls look
Berlusconi's companions,
1086
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,120
was like the judges
I wanted them to become known.
1087
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,400
Their lives were destroyed
forever.
1088
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:05,040
Can't start a family
or find a serious boyfriend.
1089
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,480
They can't find work,
not even in my companies,
1090
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,080
nor at Mediaset,
1091
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:14,760
because producers and directors
refuse to hire them.
1092
01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,800
They can't find a house,
because they don't have a permanent job
1093
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:22,920
and no one wants to be your guarantor.
1094
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,560
I always said
that he was not guilty of anything.
1095
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,920
What happened is not my fault.
1096
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:39,400
But I feel responsible,
Why come to my dinners?
1097
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,600
ended up destroying their lives.
1098
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,360
That's why I helped them.
1099
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,600
That's why I still help them
and because I will continue to help them,
1100
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:53,400
until they get out of this situation.
1101
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,680
During this interview, the girlfriend
by Berlusconi, Francesca Pascale,
1102
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:04,440
who is 50 years younger than him,
I listened in the porch of the mansion.
1103
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,760
Francesca Pascale worked
on local television in Naples.
1104
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,400
They've been together since 2012.
1105
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:21,480
While playing in the garden
with his poodles, Dudu and Dudina,
1106
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,400
Berlusconi's girlfriend
seemed to be joking about the trial
1107
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:29,840
of Berlusconi in relation to the accusations
sex with an underage prostitute.
1108
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,560
Here they are,
the two youngest, Dudino!
1109
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,440
It would be the kindest story for him
1110
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,320
if I had taken
a more discreet private life?
1111
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:49,600
Of course, if he had been discreet,
I would have been able to avoid a lot of things.
1112
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,560
But what did Berlusconi actually do?
That's the question.
1113
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,240
{\an8}Induced a smaller
1114
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,240
{\an8}prostituting yourself?
1115
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,720
- No way, forget it!
- What do you mean?
1116
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,600
- Do you think you didn't do it?
- Please!
1117
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,320
But have you ever participated
on "Bunga Bunga" nights?
1118
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,960
No, because I wasn't interested.
1119
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,480
Berlusconi showed me the division
and said, "It's the Bunga Bunga division."
1120
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:21,600
He told me that nothing had happened there,
just dinners and singing...
1121
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,760
Berlusconi loves to sing.
1122
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,960
You love being surrounded by people...
And let's be honest, he felt alone.
1123
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,080
- He didn't have a wife.
- At home.
1124
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,320
He was alone, in his own home.
1125
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:39,240
Did you know that everyone who was
Arcore were interrogated
1126
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,000
as if they were mafiosi,
as if they were gangsters?
1127
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,760
This is the big irregularity
of this country,
1128
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,080
not that Berlusconi
was surrounded by girls
1129
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:51,960
with whom he could do whatever he wanted.
1130
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:53,320
HERE WE GO AGAIN
1131
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:57,520
In 2011, the Bunga Bunga scandal
Berlusconi had exploded
1132
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,440
on the first pages
from newspapers around the world.
1133
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,360
I was being judged for having had
sex with an underage prostitute.
1134
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:05,760
Italy was shocked.
1135
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,440
Berlusconi, already famous
for his diplomatic gaffes,
1136
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,640
it became a joke
for world leaders.
1137
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,200
THE CLOWN OF EUROPE
1138
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:25,320
The Bunga Bunga scandal
it was terrible for him.
1139
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,200
Berlusconi found himself
in conflict with the Church,
1140
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,600
{\an8}and the Church, in Italy,
has a very important role.
1141
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,280
{\an8}He found himself in conflict with women,
1142
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,720
and Italian women count a lot
when voting.
1143
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:46,640
Let's say your behavior
It wasn't very elegant.
1144
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,200
Then everything changed.
1145
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,200
The Arab Spring exploded
in Tahrir Square
1146
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,080
and it spread quickly
from Cairo to neighboring Libya.
1147
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,640
An urgent summit on Libya was held
convened by President Sarkozy,
1148
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:09,600
which, for years, had been pampered
Gaddafi, welcoming him in Paris
1149
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,760
and trying to sell it to you
French fighter planes.
1150
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,840
But now, Sarkozy's popularity
I was in free fall,
1151
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,520
had supported the wrong dictators
at the beginning of the Arab Spring.
1152
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:30,920
Now, a furious and aggressive Sarkozy
1153
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,680
I wanted to use French fighters
to bomb Gaddafi.
1154
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:39,760
At the Paris summit, he defended
that Libya had to change its regime
1155
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,920
before the secretary of state
Hillary Clinton.
1156
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,360
Mrs. Clinton, in what,
later, it would be criticized
1157
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:48,040
by some as being an error,
1158
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,560
supported Sarkozy in his intention
to bring Gaddafi down.
1159
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,280
Silvio Berlusconi
has another story to tell.
1160
01:16:54,360 --> 01:17:00,280
When Sarkozy began his mission to
bomb Gaddafi before the summit,
1161
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:05,160
you and Hillary Clinton
Did you think it was a mistake?
1162
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,560
Without a doubt.
1163
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,560
I will explain my position
� Mrs. Clinton.
1164
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:18,440
Gaddafi was initially an enemy
the USA and the Western world.
1165
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:25,000
I tried to stop this operation...
1166
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,600
... because despite Gaddafi
1167
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,960
can be criticized
for many things,
1168
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:38,160
he had already been, say,
1169
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,120
tamed by your friend
Silvio Berlusconi.
1170
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,000
We were already friends
1171
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:50,160
and he had accepted the idea
1172
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,440
that it had to cooperate with Europe
1173
01:17:54,760 --> 01:18:00,120
to improve your image.
1174
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:05,160
According to Berlusconi, only Gaddafi
could keep the country together.
1175
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:12,320
I explained to my Western colleagues
1176
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,720
that Libya was united
1177
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,360
just thanks to the government
of the Gaddafi dictatorship,
1178
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:25,600
and that the country was divided
in 105 tribes,
1179
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,160
who met every year
1180
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:32,400
and confirmed Gaddafi
as the "King of Kings".
1181
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:37,840
But these tribes, heavily armed,
they were also in conflict.
1182
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,000
See what's happening in Libya.
1183
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,000
It became a powder keg,
1184
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:50,120
there are weapons trafficked from Libya
everywhere
1185
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:55,440
and, above all, it is a place
where al-Qaeda operates.
1186
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,960
But Sarkozy
outwitted Berlusconi,
1187
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,960
with the support of Hillary Clinton.
1188
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,520
{\an8}When France and the whole
1189
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,640
{\an8}CORESPONDENT IN ROME
1190
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:11,000
{\an8}the Western world said:
"Enough with Gaddafi!"
1191
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:16,040
And when Gaddafi
sent the tanks to Benghazi,
1192
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,200
Sarkozy decided to intervene,
sending French fighters
1193
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:27,440
to destroy the columns
of armed vehicles one night.
1194
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:32,080
Berlusconi was taken by surprise,
because no one had warned him.
1195
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,600
Berlusconi has his theory why
from countries like Libya and Iraq
1196
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,080
should not be governed
like a democracy.
1197
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,760
When, in 2003...
1198
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,880
... I learned that the president
George Bush
1199
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,640
I wanted to declare war
against Saddam Hussein,
1200
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:57,200
I wanted to try to prevent this error.
1201
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,240
I went, on purpose, to Washington,
1202
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,560
I asked George Bush to bring together
the most important advisors,
1203
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:08,640
and me and my assistant Valentino
Valentini we had lunch with them.
1204
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,640
I tried to make them see...
1205
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:18,880
My position on Iraq,
which is very simple to explain.
1206
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,840
Iraq is a country with borders
that were artificially designed,
1207
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:28,120
inhabited by three ethnic groups,
who always fought among themselves,
1208
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,920
and 65 percent of the population
She is illiterate.
1209
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:36,720
A country like this cannot be
governed by a democracy,
1210
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,960
it has to be governed by a regime.
1211
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:45,320
By a leader who is not
a bloodthirsty dictator.
1212
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,000
For a leader
what they considered Assad to be.
1213
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,120
By someone like the king of Jordan
or like the king of Morocco,
1214
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,520
but not for a democracy.
1215
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,880
But, with the Arab Spring,
1216
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,880
another even more event came
destabilizing for Berlusconi,
1217
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,760
2011 saw it too
1218
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:08,280
the beginning of the worst financial crisis
European since the Great Depression,
1219
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:09,760
the euro crisis.
1220
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,640
{\an8}Greece was bankrupt,
markets in turmoil,
1221
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,040
{\an8}Speculators targeted Italy.
1222
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,280
It was a storm of proportions
unprecedented and a weakened Berlusconi
1223
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,720
tried to keep his government together
and maintain your credibility
1224
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,520
and the credit rating of Italy.
1225
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,080
During that summer of 2011,
Berlusconi was an elected leader,
1226
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,080
{\an8}who did not exercise great leadership.
1227
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:36,560
{\an8}POLITICAL ANALYST
1228
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:41,280
{\an8}He had used his leadership
to win the elections,
1229
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:46,200
but not to take your government
to carry out reforms
1230
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,680
And he was always subjecting himself
to interests
1231
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,000
of various people
who formed his government.
1232
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:56,080
The constant fights with your
allies, or pseudo-allies,
1233
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,440
showed that their leadership
was weakened.
1234
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,400
Which caused deterioration.
1235
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:07,760
And, at a given moment, Berlusconi
lost control of the situation.
1236
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:13,040
At the end of this summer of 2011,
with speculators attacking Italy
1237
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,520
and Berlusconi's credibility
getting lost,
1238
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,600
Sarkozy and Merkel decided
that the only solution
1239
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:23,960
it was trying to replace Berlusconi
as Italian Prime Minister.
1240
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,360
That started it
to an international conspiracy,
1241
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:30,200
or like the former treasury secretary
American Tim Geithner called him,
1242
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:36,160
a "scheme" of European politicians
to force Berlusconi to resign.
1243
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,360
The idea was to embarrass him
with an IMF loan to Italy,
1244
01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:42,000
for him to resign.
1245
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,120
Sarkozy and Berlusconi
they never liked each other.
1246
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,120
They clashed on many things.
All the time.
1247
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:56,800
{\an8}The idea
that Angela Merkel and Sarkozy
1248
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,240
{\an8}CORESPONDENT IN ROME
1249
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:03,160
{\an8}put pressure
at the International Monetary Fund
1250
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,000
to bring down Berlusconi
1251
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:11,440
It's very plausible,
because none of them could stand him.
1252
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,160
They were always at odds.
1253
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:19,880
Merkel and Sarkozy probably
hated their superficiality,
1254
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:25,240
your arrogance,
your annoying smile
1255
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:29,120
and especially the fact
1256
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:35,200
of never having fulfilled
a single promise he made.
1257
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,920
The relationship with Sarkozy was so bad that,
1258
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,480
when Berlusconi
arrived at the G8 summit,
1259
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:46,040
in Deauville, Sarkozy's wife,
Carla Bruni, you were careful to kiss
1260
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:50,200
the other leaders on both cheeks,
with the exception of Silvio Berlusconi,
1261
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:54,160
who instead received a polite one
and distant handshake.
1262
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,000
And Berlusconi's relationship
with Angela Merkel it was no better.
1263
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:04,720
In September 2011, it was said that
Merkel was furious with the Italian.
1264
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:21,280
They accused him of having said that Merkel
it was a "loofah that no one wanted".
1265
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,280
This is completely false.
I never said that.
1266
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:31,600
Silvio Berlusconi would not use
those words about no one.
1267
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:35,800
This was invented by someone
who wanted to harm me
1268
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,800
and turn Mrs. Merkel against me.
1269
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:44,440
At the end of October 2011, Merkel
and Sarkozy showed what they thought
1270
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:46,520
{\an8}by Berlusconi in a unique moment.
1271
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,920
{\an8}EUROPEAN COUNCIL
BRUSSELS
1272
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,640
What exactly did they say
to Mr Berlusconi?
1273
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,200
Did he make them more relaxed?
1274
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,360
The most dramatic moment, however,
it was at the G20 summit in Cannes,
1275
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:07,480
carried out at the beginning
November 2011.
1276
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,760
A witness was the ancient
president of the European Commission
1277
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,640
Jos� Manuel Barroso.
1278
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,400
{\an8}Something was already happening in Europe.
1279
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,360
{\an8}EX-PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN COMMISSION
1280
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,200
{\an8}Actually, we had a meeting
of the European Council a few days earlier,
1281
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,960
and we had received a letter
of the Italian Prime Minister,
1282
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,720
proposing strong commitments.
1283
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,680
It was a long letter,
with about eight pages.
1284
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,080
Therefore, he said:
"If the IMF also wants to monitor,
1285
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:41,000
It is very welcome, but I believe
that it will not be useful to have Italy
1286
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:48,080
under an IMF program, because it can
be a bad sign for the markets."
1287
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:51,040
I keep believing
that it was the right decision,
1288
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,440
because if the Cannes result
had been:
1289
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,240
"Now Italy is under the IMF."
1290
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,240
This would have originated
a panic reaction.
1291
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,240
{\an8}Geithner would later reveal
that he and President Obama
1292
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,000
{\an8}they refused to unite
Sarkozy and Merkel
1293
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,280
against Berlusconi.
1294
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:12,560
In his memoir,
Stress Test,
1295
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,880
{\an8}wrote: "We can't have
your blood on your hands."
1296
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,720
There was a meeting
on the night of November 3rd,
1297
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:26,520
which began at 21:40, which is
appeared with President Obama,
1298
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,760
with Mario Draghi,
with Merkel, with Sarkozy,
1299
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,480
with the entire Frankfurt group.
1300
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,560
At this meeting,
Sarkozy, as leader of the G20,
1301
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,600
I even decided to try
force Italy into a program.
1302
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,480
Would you call it sensitive, dramatic?
How would you describe Sarkozy?
1303
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:51,560
{\an8}Nicolas Sarkozy, who I know well,
He is a very proactive leader,
1304
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,920
It is a political animal,
as they say.
1305
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,360
Can be very energetic
to demonstrate what you think.
1306
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:05,520
What was the president of the meeting like?
for being the president of the G20,
1307
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:11,280
I was very determined
to show the need
1308
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:13,440
of a program for Italy, yes.
1309
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,280
Because, the day before,
he had told Silvio Berlusconi:
1310
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,520
"The G20 starts in two hours,
you have to ask for the IMF program."
1311
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,720
Something like that.
1312
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:28,720
Another witness to the G20 summit
he was the Spanish Prime Minister
1313
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,520
Jos� Luis Rodr�guez Zapatero.
1314
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,040
It was an offensive by sea, air and land.
1315
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,920
{\an8}I remember the expressions
"Italy has no credibility...
1316
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,400
{\an8}FORMER SPANISH PRIME MINISTER
1317
01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:41,360
... did not make any reforms."
1318
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,840
Chistine Lagarde, the alleged
impartial president of the IMF
1319
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,400
and former advisor to Sarkozy,
1320
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,520
tried to pressure Berlusconi
1321
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,920
accepting a loan
80 billion dollars from the IMF,
1322
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,560
{\an8}for Geithner this was
the kiss of death for a leader.
1323
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:01,720
{\an8}If we compare it to what we had
done or what we were going to do
1324
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:06,480
{\an8}with firewalls,80 billion
were not credible enough,
1325
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,560
which could leave us with the worst
of both worlds, that was clear.
1326
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,800
Panic in the markets
and the troikain Rome?
1327
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,080
There would be nothing worse.
1328
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:21,720
Because Sarkozy wants so much
a program for Italy,
1329
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,440
seemed to instigate
Lagarde going to the meeting,
1330
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,040
she, who had been his minister
until a few months ago,
1331
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:32,720
and the word used to describe
the way Lagarde behaved
1332
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,440
it was "pappagallo" and the assistant
Portuguese in Brussels told me:
1333
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,720
"In fact,
Sarkozy looked like a ventriloquist.
1334
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,800
He said:
'Christine, Italy needs this.'"
1335
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,720
- Do you remember that?
- Yes.
1336
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,200
Tell me about it. What do you remember?
1337
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,280
{\an8}I remember Christine Lagarde
at this dinner,
1338
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:59,200
{\an8}and at the official meeting,
it was very tough on Italy and Spain.
1339
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,560
That's why I haven't forgotten.
1340
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,320
There was no reason for that, for me.
1341
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,960
It is surprising to see that the IMF...
1342
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:14,874
... and I speak from my experience
in this crisis
1343
01:29:14,999 --> 01:29:16,960
with the various presidents of the IMF...
1344
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:23,640
... had a completely
monitoring...
1345
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,880
... is the position that, at each moment,
1346
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,200
seemed to be
that of the great powers...
1347
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,280
... without an opinion of his own.
1348
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,640
- Refers to France and Germany.
- Yes. Or to the United States.
1349
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,080
But without my own opinion.
1350
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:44,640
We were summoned by Merkel
and by Sarkozy for two meetings,
1351
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,440
on two consecutive days.
1352
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,160
In these meetings,
1353
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:54,000
there was an attempt
to make me accept an intervention
1354
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,920
from the International Monetary Fund.
1355
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:00,760
I ensured that our finances
were in order
1356
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:06,680
and that we didn't need
of external aid.
1357
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:13,600
I declined the offer,
1358
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,760
because that would have meant
the colonization of Italy,
1359
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,560
as had happened with Greece,
with the troika.
1360
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:24,240
What Berlusconi didn't know at the time
1361
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,360
it was that Merkel and Sarkozy
they were determined to finish him off.
1362
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:32,360
According to an unpublished transcript
from what Geithner told his people,
1363
01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:36,400
the plan to remove Berlusconi
it ended up being successful,
1364
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:41,160
or as Geithner said
"they did it with great mastery."
1365
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:47,840
I believe that President Obama
was by my side
1366
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:54,400
when I insisted on aid for Greece
1367
01:30:54,800 --> 01:31:01,040
and when I transmitted
my absolute disagreement
1368
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:06,960
against austerity policies
that they were going to impose on all countries.
1369
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:12,880
The White House may have said no,
but, in Rome, the Italian president,
1370
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:16,520
a former party politician
communist called Giorgio Napolitano,
1371
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,560
had his own plans.
1372
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:22,440
According to Berlusconi, Napolitano
and Merkel spoke frequently
1373
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:23,880
during this fall.
1374
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,320
According toWall Street Journal,
discussed how and when to replace...
1375
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:28,800
CRISIS
LEADER AGAINST LEADER
1376
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,680
...Berlusconi
at the end of October 2011.
1377
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,840
I spoke with President Napolitano
on the phone.
1378
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,440
In fact, he called me...
1379
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:42,040
- During the meeting.
- ... during the Cannes meeting.
1380
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:49,080
{\an8}He knew the pressure exerted
about the Italian Prime Minister
1381
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,920
and wanted to call me to make sure,
as president of the commission,
1382
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,920
that Italy would do everything
whatever was necessary
1383
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,320
to avoid a major disturbance.
1384
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:04,560
That day, I spoke on the phone
with President Napolitano
1385
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:10,120
and, yes, that was my position,
I wanted to avoid a beating against Italy,
1386
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:15,240
or what could be considered
as a humiliation for Italy.
1387
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:22,280
It is true that there were already conversations
1388
01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:28,360
about a possible replacement
by Silvio Berlusconi
1389
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:30,960
as Prime Minister of Italy.
1390
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,280
After this call,
the die was cast.
1391
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:37,360
Barroso noticed
what was about to happen
1392
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:40,160
and soon
the rest of the world would notice too.
1393
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,640
- Prime Minister!
- Clown!
1394
01:32:45,192 --> 01:32:46,720
BERLUSCONI WITHDRAWS (FOR NOW)
1395
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:48,160
He would return to Rome finished.
1396
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,880
It was about to be replaced
by a technocrat,
1397
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:56,840
in this case, an economics professor
from Milan and former European Commissioner
1398
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,360
called Mario Monti.
1399
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,880
Merkel and Sarkozy's plan to force
an IMF loan to Berlusconi
1400
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,960
didn't work
1401
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,960
but Berlusconi was obliged
resigning anyway.
1402
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:13,280
Mere days after the end of the summit
from the G20, Berlusconi was out.
1403
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:14,960
And Monti was in.
1404
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:32,120
After 2011,
things went from bad to worse.
1405
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:36,440
In the summer of 2013, Berlusconi
received a definitive sentence...
1406
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,960
{\an8}SURRENDERED
JUSTICE HAS BEEN MADE
1407
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,960
{\an8}... of the Supreme Court,
he was convicted of tax fraud.
1408
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,400
He was expelled from the Italian Senate,
1409
01:33:43,557 --> 01:33:46,717
was ineligible to apply
to the government for six years
1410
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,200
and was sentenced
one year of community service.
1411
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,080
Prime Minister! How did it go?
1412
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,320
After the conviction in 2013,
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{\an8}POLITICAL ANALYST
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{\an8}the last phase came
of Berlusconi's public life.
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It was a period of great decline.
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This decline began
with condemnation.
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It was during his year of service
community than Berlusconi and I
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we spent more than 100 hours together
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in interviews for the biography
what I was writing
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and for this documentary.
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He had frequent changes in mood,
having been depressed for weeks
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after his acquittal
in the Bunga Bunga trial.
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At the end of 2015,
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Berlusconi tried to return
resurfacing in politics,
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forming an alliance
with Matteo Salvini,
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a politician
anti-immigration extremist,
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whose own party
it had supplanted Forza Italia.
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The alliance with Salvini
It is proof of Berlusconi's fall.
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It's an alliance
in which he is no longer the leader,
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in which Salvini is the leader,
in which Berlusconi uses language
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and a policy that has nothing to do with
with your story.
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Berlusconi was always
a tolerant liberal.
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Salvini was different.
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For Silvio Berlusconi,
it was the Autumn of the Patriarch,
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a parable in slow motion
for a man whose end had come.
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A new and vivacious prime minister
had burst onto the stage,
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Matteo Renzi,
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that I was able to implement
all the reforms that Berlusconi
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promised but failed to deliver.
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But Berlusconi
I didn't want to leave the scene
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and swore he would not leave politics
until you get another victory.
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And, being Berlusconi,
no one could rule that out,
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even though it's getting closer
his 80th birthday.
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A person like Berlusconi
appears very rarely,
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not just in Italy,
but all over the world.
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He was a great businessman.
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He created private television in Italy,
changed Italian politics.
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Whatever our opinion,
positive or negative,
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he did extraordinary things.
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Silvio Berlusconi changed Italy.
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Today, Italy is a much more
� image of Berlusconi
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of what it was
when he was in power.
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Because we had 20 years of Berlusconi.
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In the same way we had
twenty years of fascist regime,
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we also had 20 years
of the Berlusconi regime.
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I don't mean
that Berlusconi is like Mussolini,
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that your regime
it was like the fascist regime.
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It was different.
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But in terms of how it changed
Italian culture and mentality,
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There are many analogies.
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To Vladimir Putin,
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Berlusconi will get his much deserved one
place in Italian history.
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For others, it was brilliant
businessman, but a failed politician.
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History will consider Berlusconi
a pasta charmer,
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who managed to unite
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the discrepant political forces
right-wing.
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That way,
managed to give a voice to the Italian right.
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But you will also be remembered,
and this will be your greatest legacy,
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as a very superficial man.
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Someone who didn't make it
to carry out essential reforms
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that Italy needed to compete
in international markets.
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Historians of the future will conclude
that Berlusconi was a businessman
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competent, innovative
and unscrupulous.
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As a politician,
will conclude that it was a man
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who had every opportunity
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and all the time necessary
to change this country in time,
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but I didn't know how to do it
or didn't want to do it,
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due to little consideration
by institutions
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and it's a lot of consideration
by yourself.
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After my book is published,
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I heard that Berlusconi
he wasn't very pleased.
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He told me he was waiting for a book
celebrate your life.
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Instead I chose to tell
the truth about this is fascinating,
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but imperfect individual.
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And, after leaving thevilla of Arcore,
for the last time, in the fall of 2015,
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we would never speak again.
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FORMER POLITICIAN, FRIEND, LAWYER
AND RIGHT-HAND OF SILVIO BERLUSCONI
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CONVICTED IN 2006/2007
ARRESTED FOR SIX YEARS.
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AFTER A FEW DAYS IN DETENTION, HE COMPLIED
THE REST UNDER HOUSE ARREST.
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PRIME MINISTER FROM 1983 TO 1987
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CLOSE FRIEND AND GODFATHER
FROM BERLUSCONI'S DAUGHTER
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GUILTY IN 1996 OF CORRUPTION
AND IN 1999 OF ILLEGAL FINANCING.
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HE RECEIVED SEVERAL PENALTIES.
HE DIED IN TUNISIA IN 2000.
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FORMER POLITICIAN, MANAGER,
CO-FOUNDER OF FORZA ITALIA,
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CLOSE FRIEND AND COLLABORATOR
BY BERLUSCONI
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CONVICTED IN 2014
FOR CONNECTIONS TO THE MAFIA
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SENTENCED TO SEVEN YEARS
IN PARMA PRISON, ITALY
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MAFIA BOSS
KILLER AND TRAFFICKER,
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FOREMAN IN 1974/75
FROM THE VILLA OF BERLUSCONI
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GUILTY OF TRAFFICKING,
FRAUD, BLACKMAIL AND HOMICIDE.
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RELEASED IN 2000.
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DIE 4 DAYS
AFTER SENTENCE FOR HOMICIDE.
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FORMER ITALIAN PRIME MINISTER
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REAL ESTATE AND MEDIA MOGNATE,
LEADER OF FORZA ITALY
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CONVICTED IN 2014 FOR TAX FRAUD
FOUR YEARS IN PRISON
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AND EXPULDED FROM THE SENATE.
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COMPLETED TEN MONTHS
OF COMMUNITY SERVICE.
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SURVIVED MORE THAN 60 PROCEEDINGS
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FOR BRIBERY, CORRUPTION, PERJARY,
FRAUD AND SEX WITH A MINOR.
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HEART OPERATED IN 2016,
ALMOST 80 YEARS OLD
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Subtitles: Vania Moises